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every month. >> and sam, when you talk to the obama campaign, the particular way they see the voters who are going to side with them, or at least a lot of them practically swing voters, is what they believe, as alice said, we have a very deep hole to dig out of. we're not there but we're doing as good as we can expect to be doing. and there's been there important psychological barrier of 8%. does getting underneath that barrier to 7.8% really do much for president obama's talking point, that we have come a long way and now voters should let him finish the job, or do these kind of changes in numbers matter in washington but they're not what voters see around them so they're kind of a story here but not actually in the campaign. >> first of all i'm glad you asked alice the economic question and left me with the political stuff. she's much more better equipped to do that. i think it's a psychological motivator for a lot of people, especially for the campaign itself. we did a video mash up of all the times mitt romney talked about how the president failed to get the unemployment rate bel
every month. >> and sam, when you talk to the obama campaign, the particular way they see the voters who are going to side with them, or at least a lot of them practically swing voters, is what they believe, as alice said, we have a very deep hole to dig out of. we're not there but we're doing as good as we can expect to be doing. and there's been there important psychological barrier of 8%. does getting underneath that barrier to 7.8% really do much for president obama's talking point,...
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nobody thinks that president obama is going to steal an election on trumpeting unemployment. it is still a high number. and it forces the administration that will be leveled against him. >> eliot: let's talk politics. wednesday night mitt romney had the best day of his campaign. head to head against the president, and the president was not performing up to par not what we expect of him as a communicator, what we expect, articulating is what he's all about. suddenly the winds have been taken out of the sails of mitt romney a little bit, the data, the real data, there are so many things that ever three of us do is not there to substantiate his claim. what can he now do to say i really do have an engine of growth that i am going to start. >> he can't use that 8.1%, it matters a little bit. what he said today is what he'll continue to say. it's not good enough, fast enough and there are a few things that i think i can do to make it grow faster. but it's harder to make the case that obama has failed entirely on the economy when obviously we're at better place creating jobs, 5 mill
nobody thinks that president obama is going to steal an election on trumpeting unemployment. it is still a high number. and it forces the administration that will be leveled against him. >> eliot: let's talk politics. wednesday night mitt romney had the best day of his campaign. head to head against the president, and the president was not performing up to par not what we expect of him as a communicator, what we expect, articulating is what he's all about. suddenly the winds have been...
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to be a great president. >> and talking about his music and his love life. oh, yes, and we sing a duet. ♪ islands in the stream ♪ that is what we are >> this is "piers morgan tonight." >>> we begin with tonight's big story with just 32 days before the election, the new jobs report numbers are out and they are shaking up the race again. the unemployment rate fell to 7.8%, the lowest since january 2009, when president obama was inaugurated. he is hoping the new numbers will bring him a second term. he and governor romney know the election's all about the economy and both men were trading jabs today in the battleground state of virginia. >> today's news certainly is not an excuse to try to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn back now. >> when i'm president of the united states, that employment rate is going to come down not because people are giving up and dropping out of the work force, but because we're creating more jobs. i will create jobs and get america working again. >> let
to be a great president. >> and talking about his music and his love life. oh, yes, and we sing a duet. ♪ islands in the stream ♪ that is what we are >> this is "piers morgan tonight." >>> we begin with tonight's big story with just 32 days before the election, the new jobs report numbers are out and they are shaking up the race again. the unemployment rate fell to 7.8%, the lowest since january 2009, when president obama was inaugurated. he is hoping the new...
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about the issue in his debate with president obama. conservatives and liberals are calling for a move to moral economy. for republicans cutting spend democrats it is asking the rich to pay more. governor mike huckabee joins us live . great to have you here. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, uma. >> i know it is an important issue. why do you feel morality and the economy are linked . >> some people call it generational theft and that is accurate description and if you steal from somebody that is a moral issue. that's what we are doing. we are stealing from the generation that is coming after us. we are spending money they will have to pay back on our behalf . we get the benefit and they get the burden. that is immoral and wrong to do that and that is what the huge 16 trillion debt represents. >> are you concerned about the current state of affairs is accepted by some as the new norpal? >> i am uma . let me be fair. this is not just something democrats created but republicans have done. republicans boast they don't raise taxes. th
about the issue in his debate with president obama. conservatives and liberals are calling for a move to moral economy. for republicans cutting spend democrats it is asking the rich to pay more. governor mike huckabee joins us live . great to have you here. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, uma. >> i know it is an important issue. why do you feel morality and the economy are linked . >> some people call it generational theft and that is accurate description and if you...
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now you're talking well over 50% at the national level. when you break that down even further what you're looking at is near 70% in the democratic party. maybe even higher now. now that obama's come out for it. that affected the democratic coalition. independents, 57%. again, this is before obama's announcement. it's only in the republican party down at 22%. that's what's keeping the overall number in the low to mid 50s. outside the republican party this is basically a settled issue. so what you're seeing now, that means when you put it in a blue state, maine clearly blue, washington clearly blue, maryland clearly blue. the odds are very good that this thing is going to pass comfortably. minnesota we think of as a blue state but it is actually, as it gets closer, three, four, five point win for democrats commonly there, a lot more social conservatives there so it is not surprising it me it's a little closer than minnesota but i think we're at the point where if this goes on the ballot in a blue state it passes. in a swing state it could pa
now you're talking well over 50% at the national level. when you break that down even further what you're looking at is near 70% in the democratic party. maybe even higher now. now that obama's come out for it. that affected the democratic coalition. independents, 57%. again, this is before obama's announcement. it's only in the republican party down at 22%. that's what's keeping the overall number in the low to mid 50s. outside the republican party this is basically a settled issue. so what...
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then there was this from conservative talk radio host laura ingram. quote, jobs numbers from labor secretary hilda solis are total pro obama propaganda. just looking on twitter you could see the ground swell on the right that they were going to build their own iran-ternet on this. forget the real world they were going to build their own private world that made them happier. the real internet is inconvenient. we will have our own. the real facts are not accepted. we will have our own. time for fresh fact. you could see the ground swell building for this on the right first online but then of course where it fully blossomed was on cable news. >> oh, how convenient that the rate dropped below 8% for the first time in 43 months five weeks before an election. that's why there is some mistrust of these numbers. >> i told you they'd get it under 8%. they did. >> a great argument. >> you can let america decide how they got it there. >> some people will be very cynical a government number will come out this great on the eve of the election. i'll make a guarante
then there was this from conservative talk radio host laura ingram. quote, jobs numbers from labor secretary hilda solis are total pro obama propaganda. just looking on twitter you could see the ground swell on the right that they were going to build their own iran-ternet on this. forget the real world they were going to build their own private world that made them happier. the real internet is inconvenient. we will have our own. the real facts are not accepted. we will have our own. time for...
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my sense talking to voters is that there are a slice of voters who give obama credit for avoiding the worst. the things he did in 2009, they're grateful they're not living in another depression. but there is a sense in many voters that things are not improving fast enough. and again, i think this is a small tail wind for him at pushing back at that perception but not something that is fundamentally going to change those doubts. >> and mitt romney will still talk about the 23 million unemployed in this country. >> and under employed. >> right. and he's going to continue to hit that and say that the president hasn't solved the problem quickly enough. the problem for romney is he's walking a fine line. because when there's good news, he can't seem to be dour about it because he's depending on bad news. so he does walk a fine line. >> it's good news for the country if there are jobs being created. >> and the other thing is how baked in people's minds. >> it's past the point where the perception has changed very much. >> here's what you wrote. one of those vulnerabilities is obama's inabil
my sense talking to voters is that there are a slice of voters who give obama credit for avoiding the worst. the things he did in 2009, they're grateful they're not living in another depression. but there is a sense in many voters that things are not improving fast enough. and again, i think this is a small tail wind for him at pushing back at that perception but not something that is fundamentally going to change those doubts. >> and mitt romney will still talk about the 23 million...
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listen. >> i won't be surprised if barack obama just takes a bite out of his ear. he might just take a bite out of his ear. you have to do something, but it's going to get, i think it's going to get ugly because that is the only thing that barack obama can do. >> and joining me now is bernie thompson. good morning. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> all right, so, i think most can agree, certainly, that wednesday's debate was certainly a big win for mitt romney, hands down. but observers are still criticizing him, actually, about not giving enough details. so, i want to read to you what a conservative columnist for "new york times" said right after the debate. romney had his share of lines and the stinctions he drew between romney care and obama care and didn't say anything about helping the uninsured. how do you respond to that? is it time for romney to give more specifics? is he having a problem with that? >> easy to criticize both of them for not giving enough specifics. romney has a 59-point economic plan that most people have never looked at
listen. >> i won't be surprised if barack obama just takes a bite out of his ear. he might just take a bite out of his ear. you have to do something, but it's going to get, i think it's going to get ugly because that is the only thing that barack obama can do. >> and joining me now is bernie thompson. good morning. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> all right, so, i think most can agree, certainly, that wednesday's debate was certainly a big win for...
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the president, all he's talked about is 7.8. he didn't mention 600,000 jobs added in the government sector. >> see -- it's not your attitude about obama people care about, it's your analysis. you came out this morning and asserted, in the a question mark or a question or a concern about a coincidence, you say these chicago guys will do anything so they change the numbers. do you want to take that back? >> no, i don't want to take that back. >> there was assertion that there was jimmying with the numbers, corruption, infiltration, getting to -- it's not funny, jack. you're talking about the president of the united states playing with the bureau of labor statistics numbers. this is nixon stuff, this is what nixon did in the old days. >> chris, don't lose it now. >> i'm not losing it. look at my face. >> i can't see your face. >> do you want to take back the charge? >> no, i don't want to take back one word in that tweet. >> that there was corruption. you assert as of now, 5:00 this afternoon, these chicago guys will do anything, t
the president, all he's talked about is 7.8. he didn't mention 600,000 jobs added in the government sector. >> see -- it's not your attitude about obama people care about, it's your analysis. you came out this morning and asserted, in the a question mark or a question or a concern about a coincidence, you say these chicago guys will do anything so they change the numbers. do you want to take that back? >> no, i don't want to take that back. >> there was assertion that there...
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. >> it's not an excuse to talk down the economy and score a few political reports. >> this is manna from heaven. >> do you worry you've offended the 47%. >> it's not elegantly stated. >> obama: my opponent has been trying to reposition. >> it's completely wrong. >> obama: he said he would eliminate funding for public television. thank goodness someone is getting tough on big bird. we didn't know that big bird was driving the federal government. >> cenk: great numbers unelement has fallen to a 44-month low to 7.8%. it used to be at 8.1% so we're finally below 8%. 114,000 jobs have been added and the july and august numbers added moreobobhich happepe all the t time.im thisthss gat gewatew foror america. more people back at work. so of course the republicans are celebrating right? of course not. no way. they're panicked over it. oh, my god this is going to cause us this election. dammit, i can't believe more americans are working. now go to unbelieving. unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate, so change numbers. that's ironic coming from jack welsh
. >> it's not an excuse to talk down the economy and score a few political reports. >> this is manna from heaven. >> do you worry you've offended the 47%. >> it's not elegantly stated. >> obama: my opponent has been trying to reposition. >> it's completely wrong. >> obama: he said he would eliminate funding for public television. thank goodness someone is getting tough on big bird. we didn't know that big bird was driving the federal government....
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it's easier to talk about it in the length of a debate. let me remind you, in 2008, president obama ran when he was trying to get to the left of hillary clinton, and he opposed nafta. and as soon as that was gone, he never talked again about renegotiating nafta. we found out later he sent one of his top aides to -- >> one at a time, one at a time. let ari finish, please. >> both candidates have engaged in tactical maneuvering. this is nothing new. >> i'm not saying it's anything new and i'm not saying both candidates don't shift and move to the center after primaries and stuff. the point is, it seems like he's doing that right now. ari, appreciate it. rowland, thank you. >>> new information about the border patrol officer who was shot and killed in the line of duty. the question tonight, was it friendly fire? were they eating when you g when you take a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a
it's easier to talk about it in the length of a debate. let me remind you, in 2008, president obama ran when he was trying to get to the left of hillary clinton, and he opposed nafta. and as soon as that was gone, he never talked again about renegotiating nafta. we found out later he sent one of his top aides to -- >> one at a time, one at a time. let ari finish, please. >> both candidates have engaged in tactical maneuvering. this is nothing new. >> i'm not saying it's...
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talk about the 47%. we all know before the debate romney was on tape writing off half of americans as obama supporters say they rely on the government for the handouts. after the debate, he made this about face. listen to what he told sean hannity on fox. >> clearly in a campaign with not hundreds of speeches and question and answer sessions, now and then you say something that doesn't come out right. in this case, i said something that is just completely wrong. >> completely wrong. now, why wait 17 days? is this an attempt to reconnect with voters maybe after that damage had been done? >> i hope it is. and i also think it means that he's feeling very comfortable about the republican base. you know, we saw him do things in the debate, randi, like, for example, talk about his health care plan in massachusetts, own it. one of the first times we have seen him do it and i can't tell you how happy i am to see him say that he misspoke. that it was completely wrong that statement about the 47% because i know th
talk about the 47%. we all know before the debate romney was on tape writing off half of americans as obama supporters say they rely on the government for the handouts. after the debate, he made this about face. listen to what he told sean hannity on fox. >> clearly in a campaign with not hundreds of speeches and question and answer sessions, now and then you say something that doesn't come out right. in this case, i said something that is just completely wrong. >> completely wrong....
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>> yes. >> remember we talked about obama being in control in the beginning. that's the primacy effect and there's a recency effect at the end of the debate, the last thing a viewer remembers and it's very interesting. romney didn't want to leave the stage. kept staying and stretching it out. >> enjoying the moment. >> he wanted to be the last visual that we had of i won this debate. he just revelled in it and stayed and stayed and stayed, and obama left. >> what about obama's body language at the end though, did he seem -- he seemed to be sort of hunched over a little bit. >> he did. i thought that was very interesting. again, i do feel like he realized he didn't do well, and there was a point, even in his closing statements, where you felt like he'd given up. he was so weary at that close, and he didn't do what i wanted him to do and that's look straight at that camera and make that appeal. >> right. >> so the next debate will be in a town hall setting. do you think we'll see different sort of body language. >> interested to see if romney can keep up his ene
>> yes. >> remember we talked about obama being in control in the beginning. that's the primacy effect and there's a recency effect at the end of the debate, the last thing a viewer remembers and it's very interesting. romney didn't want to leave the stage. kept staying and stretching it out. >> enjoying the moment. >> he wanted to be the last visual that we had of i won this debate. he just revelled in it and stayed and stayed and stayed, and obama left. >> what...
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obama let mitt win so people could stop talking about that 2007 speech it was genius. joke. how could this be a surprise? you have a successful businessman who wipes the floor with a grad student. you have guy who knows jobs and a guy who knows jay-z. a guy who had a career. a guy who had a canine. there is no comparison and the most important thing is, this is what nobody is talking about. mitt had to win big. he couldn't just win. if he had just won, the press wouldn't would have given it to obama. he had to disseminate obama in order to just to get a victory. >> bill: how did he do it gutfeld. >> eye contact. eye contact. >> bill: just eye contact? it'saser stare? >> yes. it seemed that mitt was extremely open and confident about himself strictly through eye contact. he he knew his facts as a businessman he was prepared. and he is probably going to pitch this like this over and over again. >> bill: what about his presentation though signaled to you, greg gutfeld and that he he had scored and scored big? >> the very first -- oh, the very first question that he answered and
obama let mitt win so people could stop talking about that 2007 speech it was genius. joke. how could this be a surprise? you have a successful businessman who wipes the floor with a grad student. you have guy who knows jobs and a guy who knows jay-z. a guy who had a career. a guy who had a canine. there is no comparison and the most important thing is, this is what nobody is talking about. mitt had to win big. he couldn't just win. if he had just won, the press wouldn't would have given it to...
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people are talking about that. that has moved the discussion a little off his debate performance and more on the discussion of the jobs. >> things do move o. but 7.8% is exact rate barack obama inherited. right? he says, i inherited the worst situation since the great depression. every month since he has been in office, unemployment has been higher than the worst situation since the great depression. in other words, we are right back where he started from. and every month has been worse. how do you say you had a successful economy when the whole time of your administration has been worse than george bush's? i mean, 7.8, is that the best month? that's the best month he had. what have we done? tripled the money supply. you have -- he has the stimulus package. you have all of these things and four straight trillion-dollar deficits. we are right back at the starting line on the economy. this is a failed president. there is no doubt about it. >> greta: the polls are out. some polls, right now, we are starting to see in
people are talking about that. that has moved the discussion a little off his debate performance and more on the discussion of the jobs. >> things do move o. but 7.8% is exact rate barack obama inherited. right? he says, i inherited the worst situation since the great depression. every month since he has been in office, unemployment has been higher than the worst situation since the great depression. in other words, we are right back where he started from. and every month has been worse....
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chicago guys presumably meaning the obama campaign. we will talk to him about that. congressman alan west said this on his facebook page. in regard to today's jobs report, i agree with jack welch. chicago style politics is at work here. conservative commentator laura ingram said another name for the labor department's bogus 7 pts 8% unemployment number. obama's october surprise. thanks, hilda. that's labor secretary hilda solis, who is responsible for the bureau of labor statistics which puts out the job numbers. >> i have the highest regard for our professional staff at the bureau of labor statistics, highly trained, highly skilled ph.d.s, economists, statisticians, folks that have been working in this area for many years and this is a methodology that's been used for decades and it is insulting when you hear people just cavalierly say that somehow we are manipulating numbers. i find that very insulting. >> hilda solis. for the record, here's how the process works. the raw data comes in on wednesdays, the week before each monthly report. the bureau of labor statisti
chicago guys presumably meaning the obama campaign. we will talk to him about that. congressman alan west said this on his facebook page. in regard to today's jobs report, i agree with jack welch. chicago style politics is at work here. conservative commentator laura ingram said another name for the labor department's bogus 7 pts 8% unemployment number. obama's october surprise. thanks, hilda. that's labor secretary hilda solis, who is responsible for the bureau of labor statistics which puts...
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i mean, all the reviews from the debate has been so negative for president obama. and this just automatically changed the subject. at 8:30 yesterday morning we stopped talk thing about the debates and started talking about improvement in the jobless numbers >> yes. david with respect to the conspiracy theorists out there, mitt romney is not latched onto all threat rick. but could all this talk, this talk, could it damage him in the long run? i mean, in some ways all it does is just highlight the fact we're talking below 8%. >> absolutely, alex. i think that the romney campaign didn't respond to that because they don't want to be anywhere near it. even some conservatives quickly denounced those remarks, that tweet by jack welch. and i think that frankly for the obama administration those people who believe jack welch are not going to vote for president obama, anyway. and i think actually it's probably going to go away fairly quickly just because the romney campaign doesn't want to really touch this. >> the fact that he has to talking about mitt romney has to drop hi
i mean, all the reviews from the debate has been so negative for president obama. and this just automatically changed the subject. at 8:30 yesterday morning we stopped talk thing about the debates and started talking about improvement in the jobless numbers >> yes. david with respect to the conspiracy theorists out there, mitt romney is not latched onto all threat rick. but could all this talk, this talk, could it damage him in the long run? i mean, in some ways all it does is just...
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, who's been buried under obama leadership. then he promised a trillion-dollar tax increase a couple of days ago. we want more biden as republicans. more biden. >> don't underestimate joe biden and his decades of serving washington and knowing washington. paul ryan, i wish you the best of luck. >> and joe biden is a great man and we wish him well, and we hope he keeps talking a lot. >> that's your "morning joe" political wrap. >> and you can catch joe and mika weekdays at 6:00 a.m. eastern. with more now, here's lester. >>> they mentioned the latest unemployment numbers. is the economy really recovering? we're here with audio look inside the numbers. help me understand this now. the actual number of jobs added in september was not a huge increase, but we still saw this drop of the overall rate to 7.8%. how does that work? >> two big things. first of all, 86,000 more jobs were added in july and august together than originally expected. august had those dismal statistics that made president obama look not so great in his recovery
, who's been buried under obama leadership. then he promised a trillion-dollar tax increase a couple of days ago. we want more biden as republicans. more biden. >> don't underestimate joe biden and his decades of serving washington and knowing washington. paul ryan, i wish you the best of luck. >> and joe biden is a great man and we wish him well, and we hope he keeps talking a lot. >> that's your "morning joe" political wrap. >> and you can catch joe and mika...
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so i do think that this is going to be a must-see debate for the country, and, of course, the obama campaign is hoping for a little better performance. >> very gracious way to talk about things that the vice president said in the past. mark murray, thank you very much. >> thanks, alex. >>> in this week's office politic, christy todd whitman, first to defeat an uncome bent governor in an election. today new jersey's only female governor. talks chris christie and her role about bringing a very famous dog to the white house. first we talk about the female vote. >> do you think that the gop is at risk of losing the female vote for a generation potentially? >> if they're not careful, yes. absolutely. i mean, it's interesting, because young women today don't remember the women's movement. to them, they've grown up with roe v. wade, grown up with birth control, a lot of jabbering that makes them uncomfortable but they don't think it's going to go away and it could. we could alienate women to the point it will take a long time to get them back. >> how about the latino vote? governor romney is losing
so i do think that this is going to be a must-see debate for the country, and, of course, the obama campaign is hoping for a little better performance. >> very gracious way to talk about things that the vice president said in the past. mark murray, thank you very much. >> thanks, alex. >>> in this week's office politic, christy todd whitman, first to defeat an uncome bent governor in an election. today new jersey's only female governor. talks chris christie and her role...
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a republican talking point died a bloody death today. >> the obama administration promised that unemployment would not exceed 8%. >> would not exceed 8%. >> unemployment under 8%. >> below 8%. >> tonight a requiem for the 8% promise. the mitt romney coal miner story got even uglier today. we'll talk to the author of a new report that claims the owner of the ohio mine mitt romney visited forced workers to donate to the romney campaign. and the legendary actor lavar burton is mad at mitt romney for going after big bird. >> i'm going to stop other things. i like pbs. i love big bird. >> tonight lamar burton with the real story about pbs. >> the real story? >> the real story. good to have you with us tonight folks. thanks for watching. the unemployment numbers for september were released today. it is good news for the american recovery. somebody said obama didn't know anything about the economy. well, forget that for now. the national unemployment rate fell to, count it, 7.8%. 114,000 jobs were added to the payrolls. an additional 86,000 were added to revisions for july and august. the labor for
a republican talking point died a bloody death today. >> the obama administration promised that unemployment would not exceed 8%. >> would not exceed 8%. >> unemployment under 8%. >> below 8%. >> tonight a requiem for the 8% promise. the mitt romney coal miner story got even uglier today. we'll talk to the author of a new report that claims the owner of the ohio mine mitt romney visited forced workers to donate to the romney campaign. and the legendary actor lavar...